Classic Bike Frames (pre-1970) larger than 22.5in

Post-1970 English, American and Japanese road frames have three pages. Classic Road pre-1970 frames, Classic Track & Road-Track, Lo-Pro & Retro TT, Italian, Touring, Track, and Continental frames each have their own special pages as do 'Bargain Basement' frames (those under £100).

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in (look below)
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames


Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

HOLDSWORTH CHRONOMETRO TIME TRIAL 22.5in 1969 Putney Shop Special
Seat Tube (ctt): 23.5in (59cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 50mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Holdsworth shops had a long tradition of building specials in the back of the Putney shop. This was formalised in the 60s and Reg Collard for some time built all the Specials which took on a distinctive character of their own.
This frame I think was almost certainly built by Reg Collard before Tommy Quick took over. Its in very good to excellent condition – the original paint has some marks but nothing very significant. £275

 

ROTRAX ROAD FRAME 23.75in 1951
Seat Tube (ctt): 23.75in (60cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.75in (57.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 114mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 65mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Rotrax from Southampton built some really stunning frames in the 1950s. I am not quite certain what model this is but its really very nice There’s more I wrote on Rotrax at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/designs/rotrax-hs.html
This frame is in very condition – the paint has some marks but nothing of any real significance. £185

 

MERLIN SUPER CHROMOLITE 1947 23in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size: 26 x 1 1/4in
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Merlin Cycles was started in 1918 by the two Merlin brothers. E A, Ernie, and A L, Augustus (Gus). Ernie was a top time triallist and belonged to the Polytechnic CC and the one who built the frames. More can be found about Merlin at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/merlin-builders.html This is the Super Chromolite model and is found in their 1940 catalogue. It features their own registered design fork ends and quick release mudguard mounts and has recently been repainted albeit not to a very high standard. A really lovely road frame which is really more a pre-war design… £225

 

HOLDSWORTH LA QUELDA 23in 1948
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: 27s or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 60mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The La Quelda model was Holdsworth’s ‘welded’ model introduced just before WWII when it was in fact actually welded. Post-war the welded look was retained but the tubes were joined with fillet brazing. This frame is thought to have been built by Bill Hurlow – it has an H before the frame number…
It has been nicely repainted with double box lining and is dent free… £295

 

HOLDSWORTH LA QUELDA 23in 1953
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm), 21.75in (55.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.25in (56.25cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 59mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
The La Quelda model was Holdsworth’s ‘welded’ model introduced just before WWII when it was in fact actually welded. Post-war the welded look was retained but the tubes were joined with fillet brazing.
This frame is on very nice original condition with the most stunning lining, the lies of which I’ve not seen before – very special. £195

 

WAKEFIELD ROAD FRAME c1959 Bill Gray built
Seat Tube (ctt): 24in (60cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 61mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Wakefield cycle shop was on the edge of Tooting and Mitcham in South London. Initially R H Wakefield went into partnership with Stuart Purves but this did not last long. Frames were then sourced from a number of trade framebuilders in the South London area – Bill Philbrook whilst he was still working for Gillott, Brian Packer, Jack Jennings, Ted Shaw and others. This frame I think bears the clear hand of Bill Gray – this particular wrapover seatstay top design is one he used frequently, the Nervex lugs are filed beautifully, the curved seatstay bridge is typical of his work, and finally he certainly used curved chainstay bridges from time to time on his frames… This frame has recently been repainted quite nicely and has suffered from some modernising then or maybe a bit earlier with modern rear dropouts, Campag lever bosses and bottle cage bosses. But it is a really beautiful frame and these small changes would for the most part not be too obvious once built up. £245

 

GW LIGHTWEIGHTS (LEN GLOVER) FRAME 1940s
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprints with brake drop of 57mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
This GW Lightweights frame built by Len Glover has the most delightful box lining though it is missing its decals. The frame probably dates from the early 1950s – its built with Ekla lugs and Simplex forged dropouts. Its in very sound condition. GW Lightweights were based in north London but I do not know anything more about them – perhaps someone can let me know some more information about the firm and shop. £125



Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in (look above)
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames


 



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Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.

 
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