Classic Bike Frames (pre-1970) 21.5in–22.5in

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in (look below)
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames


Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

BATES BAR ROAD FRAME 23in c1948
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 62mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 Cantiflex
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Bates Brothers devised the Diadrant forks and Cantifles tubing in the mid 1930s during a period of much experimentation with frame design. The Cantiflex tubing was essentially standard Reynolds 531 steel alloy drawn into tubes with standard diameter ends and a larger diameter middle section. They ride exceptionally nicely with a very modern feel – the Reynolds Cantiflex tubing gives the frame a really solid feel and a modern head tube angle makes for accurate quick but stable steering. This frame is the BAR model (Best All Rounder) and was their next to top model. More on Bates can be found here: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/bates.html
This BAR frame is in very sound condition with no dents and has been given a plain undercoat; there is a little pitting evident that is easily filled when it is repainted. £245

 

CARLTON FLYER 1939 22in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 63mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.0mm
The Flyer was at this time Carlton’s flagship model and was ridden by Shake Earnshaw of the Monckton Wheelers – he won the 1938 BBAR time trial competition on a similar frame. This frame was painted about 30 years ago but not used since then. There is some evidence of light pitting under the paint and the chrome is not perfect though generally very good. Rear ends, lugs and bottom bracket are Chater Lea. Really rather unusual. £195

 

HETCHINS NULLI SECUNDUS FRAME 22.5in 1952
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27in
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Hetchins curly stayed frames with the more ornate lugs are really not so common. Lots more on Hetchins can be found at: http://www.hetchins.org
This is a Nulli Secundus road frame frame from 1952 is in excellent condition. It has had Campag gear hanger added to the rear dropouts and lever bosses on the down tube. And it has Mafac cantilever brake pivots for 27in wheels – these I think are probably original to the frame. £995

 

EPHGRAVE NO1 ROAD FRAME c1953 21.5in
Seat Tube (ctt): 21.5in (55cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Les Ephgrave was and still is very well known for the fancy lugged frames built in his works in East London. He built frames both under his own name and for some shops in north and east London. Les Ephgrave was without doubt one of the high priests of frames with ornate lugs; his No1 lug design was the most popular in his range. This lug design was beautifully balanced and very kind to the eye most times – this in undoubtedly one of the really nice ones. There’s lots on Ephgrave at http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/ephgrave-builders.html
This frame is in excellent condition – the rear Simplex dropouts have been slightly altered to take a Campagnolo gear and its had bottle cage bosses added to the down tube… I think its had very little use since it was painted at C&G finishes in Liverpool. £595

 

GLORIA ROAD FRAME 54cm 1937
Seat Tube (ctc): 54cm (21.25in)
Top Tube (ctc): 56.5cm (22.25in)
Rear dropout width: 117mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Not known
BB threads: Italian
Seatpost size: 26.2mm
This Gloria road frame was built for an Italian professional rider in 1937 for use originally with a Vittoria Margherita gear – he later had the rear dropouts replaced with ones suitable for a Campagnolo Corsa gear… It comes complete with an excellent Campagnolo Corsa gear and set of wheels… £2250

 

BILL HURLOW ROAD FRAME 21.75in 1964
Seat Tube (ctt): 21.75in (55.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.25in (54cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: 27s or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 54mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Bill Hurlow was best known for the frames he built for Condors in the 1950s and 1960s and frames sold under his own name are far rarer. All are superbly built. I rate Bill Hurlow as probably one of the top two or three of the post-war British builders – his work is truly beautiful and accurate. He made a name for himself outside of the cycling world as well as within it and is the only framebuilder I know who has been recognised with an obituary in the British Financial Times. A lot more can be found on Bill Hurlow at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/hurlow.html
This frame built with Prugnat lugs is just superb – wonderful clearly delineated lug shorelines and impeccable brazing. Its in its original paint which is in great condition. £495

 

HOLDSWORTH CYCLONE ROAD FRAME 22.5in 1951
Beautiful fancy lugs

Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 116mm
Wheel size: 26in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This Holdsworth Cyclone road frame dates from about 1951. More on Holdsworth can be found at http://www.nkilgariff.com
This Holdsworth Cyclone road frame with its stunning ornate lugs has been beautifully refinished in an attractive red paint and is ready to build up. £325

 

BARNARD ROAD FRAME late 1940s 22.5in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 112mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 65mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Percy Barnard set up his business at the beginning of the last century. He later took over a shop at 64 Station Road, Brixton, which was formerly known as London Carrier, and started building bikes. Bert, his son joined the business when he was 14 years old. The shop closed in 1960. There is quite a bit more information on the shop at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/barnard-builder.html
This frame is built with Ekla lugs and I would think dates from the late 1940s. Its very cleanly built without any fancy work. Its in very good to excellent condition but the paint has chipped quite badly in places. £95

 

TOM BOARD SUPER CHAMPION RECREATION FRAME c1985
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 50mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This frame is a modern one built to take a brazed-on Super Champion Osgear. I am certain it was built by Tom Board with lugs and dropouts cut by Len Phipps probably around 1986. £245

 

FRANCE-SPORT ROAD FRAME 54cm c1952
Seat Tube (ctc): 54cm (21.25in)
Top Tube (ctc): 54cm (21.25in)
Rear dropout width: 118mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Vitus
Seatpost size: 26.4mm
France-Sport bikes were built in Valenciennes by Starnord. This is was a medium sized French bike builder who built a full range of bikes under the Paris-Sport, France-Sport and Starnord names. This is one of their top road frames with Nervex Pro lugs, fork crown and Simplex forged rear dropouts – the gear hanger has been cut off. It has French bottom bracket and headset threads. It has its original paint albeit in quite poor condition. Restored with suitably patinated parts this would look really rather good in my opinion. £185

 



R O HARRISON SHORTWIN 1949
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm), 21.5in (55cm) ctc
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprints with a brake drop of 57mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 Butted Tubing
R O Harrison was a south London framebuilder who was one of Maurice Selbach’s framebuilders before he set up on his own around 1933. He had an excellent reputation. More details can be found at http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/harrison.html R O Harrison frames are very consistent in quality. The Shortwin model was introduced in 1949 – this frame must been one of the first for its dated as being January 1949. It has been repainted in what I would guess to be its original paint style. The paint is a little thick and in places some light pitting shows but I think once built up it would look very good… A really rare and desirable frame – there are only about half a dozen known survivors. £695


HUIJBRECHTS ROAD FRAME Late 1950s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 118mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 58mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531
Seatpost size: 27.0mm
This is a rather unusual road frame from the late 1950s built in Antwerp. Its built from Reynolds 531 tubing but has been welded I think not fillet brazed. If its fillet brazed the fillets are very small. Its beautifully built and in sound condition – the remains of the decals are still there but condition of the chrome is poor. £125

 

NO-NAME ROAD 1940s Clear Lacquar finish
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 114mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprint with a front brake drop of 66mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Accles and Pollocks butted tubing
I do not know who built this frame. It carries the the frame number AP CL 952 01 which could certainly suggest its from 1952 though I would have thought it was a bit earlier judging by the details. It has occurred to me it might possibly be a Pemberton Arrow… Whatever it’s a pretty nicely built frame… £115

 

BAINES ECOLITE ROAD FRAME Original Finish c1939
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27s or Sprints/700C with front brake drop of 56mm
Seatpost size: 27.0mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Baines were best known for their ‘Flying Gate’ design frames but did also build conventional frames. This Ecolite frame dates from I think the 1939–45 period and is in its original paint and is in very sound condition. There is plenty of information on Baines at http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/baines.html The decals are however well worn – however it has a real charm and would look really good built with slightly patinated parts which have the advantage of being less expensive and easier to find. £195

 

F W EVANS TOURING FRAME 1960s
Seat Tube (ctt): 21.5in (55cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21in (53cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprints with a brake drop of 55mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
This F W Evans touring frame dates from the early 1960s I think and features Simplex vertical dropouts and a braze-on for Simplex gear lever on the top tube. The frame is in sound patinated condition. The finish is very faded but reasonably sound – I would be very tempted to keep the finish. A very interesting 60s frame which I think may have been built by Tom Board – it certainly dates from time when he worked there. £185



Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in (look above)
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames





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Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.

 
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