Classic Track & Road-Track Frames (pre-1970)

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970 (look below)
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames
Touring frames
Track frames

Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

DOSSCHE SPORT TRACK FRAME 54cm 1950s
Seat Tube (ctc): 54cm (21.25in)
Top Tube (ctc): 56cm (22in)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 42mm
Frame tubing: Not known
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Dossche Sport are – were a very well respected Belgian framebuilder… This track frame with Nervex Pro lugs and Bastide type fork crown is exquisitely built. – just take a look at the very clean brazing and filework. This frame is in really nice condition – there’s one tiny ding to the top tube but its very hard to see…It has the steep angles and tight clearances found on most Belgian track frames – their tracks are normally short and steeply banked… £295

 

WAKEFIELD ROAD-TRACK 23in 1950s Stunning lugs
Bill Gray built

Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 112mm
Wheel size: 27s or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 65mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Wakefield cycle shop was on the edge of Tooting and Mitcham in South London. Initially R H Wakefield went into partnership with Stuart Purves but this did not last long. Frames were then sourced from a number of trade framebuilders in the South London area – Bill Philbrook whilst he was still working for Gillott, Brian Packer, Jack Jennings, Ted Shaw and others. This frame I think bears the clear hand of Bill Gray – the ornate hand-cut lugs are wonderfully cut with sure hand and have impeccable clean edges… A very beautiful frame. £345

 


BRIAN WILKINS TRACK FRAME 22in 1960s Nervex Pro lugs
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 112mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 45mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
Brian Wilkins had shops in Harlesden, Gidea Park and later Walthamstow – and built small quantities of frames himself. This pure track frame with tight clearances and track geometry I think dates from the 1960s and is in excellent condition – the paint has a few small marks but nothing of any consequence. The hand cut fork crown is a real tour de force. £265

 

POGLIAGHI TRACK FRAME c1963 59cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Columbus double butted
Sante Pogliaghi was one of Italy’s most revered framebuilders through the 1960s and 70s ranking alongside Cinelli, Masi and De Rosa. This track frame dates from c1963 and has been very nicely restored. The frame exudes pure quality… Very, very rare. £995

 

GILLOTT FLEUR DE LIS TRACK FRAME 1954 23in
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size:  700C/sprints with a brake drop of 46mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Gillott frames are renowned for being built to consistently high standards – this was down to employing excellent framebuilders and Harry Carrington who was stickler for quality. More on Gillott can be found at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/gillott.html
The Fleur de Lis was Gillott’s top model and is very beautiful. Though this frame has mudguard eyes it has very close clearances and quite steep frame angles so I think was built with track use mostly in mind. It has been beautifully restored at Argos Cycles in Bristol and not used much since. It has a few small marks and is ready to be built up. £745

 

GERMAN TRACK FRAME Possibly Rickert 52cm 1960s
Seat Tube (ctc): 52cm (20.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 54cm (21.25in)
Rear dropout width: 116mm
Wheel size:  700C/sprints
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Rickert was one of the top German framebuilders. The German Rickert expert thought that this track frame was very likely to be a Rickert. This frame exudes quality just like most Rickert frames. The paint and chrome are in excellent condition. It has typical steep track frame angles and close clearances and is not drilled for brakes. £285

 

MERLIN TRACK FRAME 23in 1949
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size:  700C/sprints with a brake drop of 52mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Merlin Cycles was started in 1918 by the two Merlin brothers. E A, Ernie, and A L, Augustus (Gus). Ernie was a top time triallist and belonged to the Polytechnic CC and the one who built the frames. More can be found about Merlin at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/merlin-builders.html
This track frame dates to 1949 I think and is a pure track frame with close clearances for the time. The frame is in excellent condition but obviously needs repainting. £225

 

MERLIN TRACK FRAME 1950s 23in Nervex Pro Lugs
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23.25in (58.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size:  700C/sprints with a brake drop of 50mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
The Merlin name was bought by Bob Jackson in the late 1950s and this one was built in Bob Jackson’s workshop. The paint is I think original though in not very good condition – both faded and marked. Unusually it has a braze-on on the top tube for a saddle nose support bar. Though it has mudguard eyes it has close clearances for the time and quite steep frame angles so I think was built with track use mostly in mind. £245


POLLARD TRACK FRAME 1950s 22in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size:  700C/sprints with a brake drop of 52mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Pollard was an old established Coventry framebuilder and shop that was open still in the late 1980s. This pure track frame which I think dates from the 1960s has close clearances, steep head angle and small fork offset and is really nicely built probably originally for use at Coventry Butts track. The paint is original but really rather so-so – most buyers will I think want to get it repainted. £225


R O HARRISON MADISON ROAD-TRACK FRAME 1951 23in
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 113mm
Wheel size:  700C/sprints with a brake drop of 57mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
R O Harrison was a south London framebuilder who was one of Maurice Selbach’s framebuilders before he set up on his own around 1933. He had an excellent reputation. More details can be found at http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/harrison.html R O Harrison frames are very consistent in quality and this one is no exception. It has been very attractively refinished in silver with red lug lining. This frame is exquisitely built with wonderful lugs with clean edges and immaculate brazing. It has one or two small marks but is ready to be built up… £445

 

CARLTON COUREUR ROAD-TRACK 23in c1955 Fancy lugs
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints with a brake drop of 62mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
This is a very unusual model of Carlton track frame – its in the 1955 catalogue. The Coureur model was mostly marketed as a road frame but they listed a road-track version which is what this is. The fancy lug design was unique to the Coureur model. The frame appears to be in very sound condition but had been given a very rough coat of paint… £245

 

E G BATES ROAD TRACK FRAME 21.5in
Seat Tube (ctt): 21.5in (55cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: 27in or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 57mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Horace Bates founded Bates Cycles in August 1926 at 2a Swete Street, London E13 after he had been sacked from Hawkes Cycles for refusing to work late one night. E G Bates joined his brother in the business in 1927 and the business then became known as Bates Brothers. Soon after they moved to larger premises at 632 Barking Road which was about opposite the later EG Bates shop at 589–591 Barking Road. Soon after WWII in 1947 the two brothers decided to split the business in two. Horace took the branches and retained the Cantiflex design whilst E.G. kept the head office and original shop at Barking Road. Horace's firm now became known as Bates of London. More can be found on Bates at: http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/bates.html
This road-track I think dates from the early 1950s. The hand-cut lugwork is quite subtle but very attractive and the paint is in excellent condition. The frame has a couple of small dings, nothing of any real significance and the steerer threads have had brass added to strengthen them. A headset race screw on perfectly and tightens fine… A really nice road-track frame. £249

 

FLYING SCOT TRACK FRAME c1969
Seat Tube (ctt): 18in (46cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 20.75in (51.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprints with a brake drop of 58mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
This is a very small Flying Scot track frame with sloping top tube dating from 1969. Flying Scot frames built by Rattrays in Glasgow have a very loyal following and are very nicely made. More on Flying Scot can be found at: http://www.flying-scot.com/core/welcome.html This frame has been modernised with a new rear seatstay bridge and bottle cage bosses and repainted reasonably recently but not to a very high standard – the cracks you see are in the paint, not the frame. The lining is simply stuck-on decals and is coming off in places. But carefully refurbished this would make an excellent road track frame. £199

 

R O HARRISON MADISON TRACK FRAME 1951
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 110mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 52mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
R O Harrison was a south London framebuilder who was one of Maurice Selbach’s framebuilders before he set up on his own around 1933. He had an excellent reputation. More details can be found at http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/harrison.html
This Madison track frame which has steep angles and relatively close clearances dates from 1951 – though it has mudguard eyes I think it was intended primarily for track use rather than on the road due to the frame angles and clearances… However the brake drilling front rear is original. It has been very nicely repainted and very lightly used since. The hand-cut fancy lugs are beautifully finished with crisp shorelines and very clean brazing – in all a really superb period track frame. Excellent. £425


Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970(look above)
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames
Touring frames
Track frames

 

 


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Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.

 
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