Bargain Basement Bike Frames

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement (look below)
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames
Touring frames
Track frames


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TERROT RANDONNEUR 1950s 55cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 55cm (21.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 60mm
Frame tubing: ????
Seatpost size: 25.4mm
Terrot Cycles was established by Charles Terrot, and produced bicycles & motorcycles from 1890 to 1958 when Peugeot acquired the brand. Production ceased at the Terrot plant in 1961. This frame I am certain predates the Peugeot takeover. The front droputs have eyelets for a front rack and the rear stays for a dynamo and the lugs are Terrot’s own… Its been repainted quite nicely and comes complete with headset and BB as shown. Will make an interesting restoration. £95

 

CHALLIER? ROAD FRAME 1950s 56cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 56cm (22in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 118mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 58mm
Frame tubing: ????
Seatpost size: 26.4mm
Challier Cycles were based in Monaco – but the head tube decal appears to have been applied over the top of another so I really do not know the story of this frame. Its a quite nicely made road frame possibly built from metric sized Reynolds 531 tubing or something similar. The paint has quite a charm. £95

 

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HELYETT ROAD FRAME MODEL H48 1940s/50s

Seat Tube (ctc): 51cm (20in)
Top Tube (ctc): 56cm (22in)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 55mm
Frame Tubing: probably Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 26.4mm
This is I think an early post-war Helyett road frame – it carries a model number H48 on the rear dropouts. Almost all Helyett frames carried a model number beginning with an H… The lugs are those used by Helyett pre-war. It appears to be in sound condition and the paint is almost useable. Its missing its head badge but Helyett head badges are reasonably easily found on French Ebay. An excellent and very interesting restoration project. £95

 

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GW LIGHTWEIGHTS (LEN GLOVER) FRAME
1940s
Seat Tube (ctt): 23in (58cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 115mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprints with brake drop of 57mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
This GW Lightweights frame built by Len Glover has the most delightful box lining though it is missing its decals. The frame probably dates from the early 1950s – its built with Ekla lugs and Simplex forged dropouts. Its in very sound condition. GW Lightweights were based in north London but I do not know anything more about them – perhaps someone can let me know some more information about the firm and shop. £95

 

NO-NAME CLUBMAN’S FRAME 21in 1930s
Seat Tube (ctt): 21in (53cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 114mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Not known
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This frame has been renovated by Russ Cycles in the distant past – it is possible it’s a Russ as the frame number 3F6 is on the back of the fork crown but I’ve not seen a number of that type on a Russ before. The frame does have Russ type fork blades but it is not as well finished as all the Russ frames I have seen before… £89

 

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JAN JANSSEN AERO ROAD FRAME originally fitted with Shimano 600AX

Seat Tube (ctc): 60cm (23.65in)
Top Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Rear dropout width: 125mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints with brake drop of 49mm
Seatpost size: 27.0mm
Shimano made a great impact in the early 1980s with their aero inspired groupsets – Adamas AX, 600AX and Dura-Ace AX. Many bike manufacturers quickly rushed out models – Jan Janssen from Holland had frames built in Japan with aero shaped seat and down tubes for the 600AX groupset. This frame is one of those and is in very good condition and ideal showcase for the very distinctive 600AX groupset. I can supply most 600AX groupset parts including some NOS. £95

 

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HUIJBRECHTS ROAD FRAME Late 1950s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 118mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 58mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531
Seatpost size: 27.0mm
This is a rather unusual road frame from the late 1950s built in Antwerp. Its built from Reynolds 531 tubing but has been welded I think not fillet brazed. If its fillet brazed the fillets are very small. Its beautifully built and in sound condition – the remains of the decals are still there but condition of the chrome is poor. £95

 

NO-NAME ROAD 1940s Clear Lacquar finish
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 114mm
Wheel size: 27s or 700C/sprint with a front brake drop of 66mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Accles and Pollocks butted tubing
I do not know who built this frame. It carries the the frame number AP CL 952 01 which could certainly suggest its from 1952 though I would have thought it was a bit earlier judging by the details. It has occurred to me it might possibly be a Pemberton Arrow… Whatever it’s a pretty nicely built frame… £95

 

NO-NAME ROAD FRAME 20.5in late 1970s
Seat Tube (ctt): 20.5in (52cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.25in (54cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 51mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
I do not know who built this frame but it dates from the late 1970s and is nicely built. It has English threads and I am sure is built from Reynolds 531 double butted tubing. It has a small dent on the top tube just behind the head lug – it looks as if something had been dropped on it. The paint is in useable condition. £75

 

KEN RYALL ROAD FRAME 1970s
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: Probably Reynolds 531 plain gauge
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
This is a Ken Ryall road frame from I think the early 1970s – its really quite nicely built but judging by the seatpost size is built from Reynolds 531 plain gauge tubing. Ready to be painted in a light coat of primer. Obviously needs repainting. £99

 

HENY ROAD FRAME 1970s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 56cm (22in)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of ??mm
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
Frame tubing: Falk
Offered here is a neatly constructed Heny road frame made from Falk steel tubing. The Heny shop still exists in Poperinge in southern Flanders. The paint is useable condition; the chrome is very good. Sound overall. £89


Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement (look above)
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames
Touring frames
Track frames




SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £18
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can o

ffer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.

 
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