Lo-Pro & Retro Time-Trial Bike Frames

This page is for Lo-Pro frames and retro time-trial frames in two sections below. I have good stocks of parts for both lo-pro frames including front wheels, wheelsets etc and for retro time-trial frames. A good selection of wheels for Lo-Pro frames can be found at:
http://hilarystone.com/wheels%20lopro.html

All our categories can be found in the sub-menu below – clicking on the category you want look at will get you directly to that page.

PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro & Retro Time Trial frames
(look below)
Touring frames
Track frames


Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

LO-PRO FRAMES

STEVE GOFF LO-PRO FRAME 19in (16.75in ctc) Columbus Air
Seat Tube (ctt): 19in (48.25cm), 16.75in (42.5cm) ctc
Top Tube (ctc): 18in (46cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C
Frame tubing: Columbus Air teardrop
Steve Goff is a small one man framebuilder who these days operates from near Skelmersdale. This is a lo-pro TT frame built from Columbus Air teardrop shaped tubing and has a threadless carbon fork fitted – from the frame number I suspect it was built in 1999… Its in good condition with just some corrosion bubbling around the top tube braze-ons. The Columbus Air seatpost has been cut at some time and then rejoined… Maximum rider inside leg would be about 32in… £185

 

DAVE HINDE LO-PRO TT FRAME 21in (19in ctc) c1989
Seat Tube (ctt): 21in (53cm), 19in (48.25cm) ctc
Top Tube (ctc): 19.5in (49.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C
Frame tubing: Reynolds 653
Seatpost size: 27.0mm
Dave Hinde’s shop is in Northwich Cheshire near Manchester. This lo-pro frame dates to 1993–5 I think and was almost certainly built in-house. Its well built and in very sound condition and well thought out but the paint is in a poor condition. Hence £145

 

BESPOKE LO-PRO 1982 24in
Seat Tube (ctt): 24in (61cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints
Seatpost size: 27.2
Frame Tubing: Ishiwata 019 Aero
This lo-pro frame built by Norris Lockley under the Bespoke Bicycle name dates I think from 1982. According to Norris its almost certainly built from Ishiwata 019 Aero tubing. It takes a standard round seatpost. The frame is in very sound condition with no dents or other problems but the paint is in poor condition. £175

 

EDDY MERCKX LO-PRO FRAME c1996
Seat Tube (ctc): 55cm (21.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: 650C (26in) front, 700C rear
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Columbus SLX
Lo-pro frames like track frames were always made in really very small numbers. This lo-pro frame is in Team Vlaanderen 2002 colours and I would guess is almost certainly an ex-Team bike – I doubt Merckx would have made frames in Vlaanderen 2002 colours… It has a bracket for a race number on the top tube. Its in excellent condition with just a few marksto the paint. £495

 

RETRO TIME TRIAL FRAMES

KEN BIRD TIME TRIAL FRAME 22.5in 1970s
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57m)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 46mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Ken Bird did not build frames himself; they were built by a number of framebuilders including Alec Bird, Roberts, Holdsworthy and others. This one numbered in the BBC (Birds Bicycle Centre) series was I am sure built by Ken’s brother Alec. Ken Bird’s cycle shop, Birds Bicycle Centre was near Crystal Palace in South London. It feature a heavily drilled out bottom bracket shell and drilled dropouts combined with steep frame angles and tight clearances. The paint is in poor condition and the Columbus tubing decal is from a much later period and certainly not original. £175

 

ANDY THOMPSON TIME TRIAL FRAME 24.5in c1980
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 125mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 44mm
Frame tubing: ??????
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Andy Thompson set up up Thompson frames in the late 1970s near Huddersfield in West Yorkshire. He later went on to work at Orbit and in collaboration with Isla Rowntree. He was responsible for some quite state-of-the-art frames in the late 1970s early 1980s – he used a variety of tubing including Ishiwata so I don’t know what tubing was used for this frame though I don’t think the steerer is Ishiwata as it does not have internal reinforcements typical of Ishiwata steerers; it is however butted. This TT frame is really nicely built. The paint is in very good condition though there are a number of marks which could be carefully retouched… £245

 

FRENCH TT FRAME 1980s
Seat Tube (ctc): 56cm (22in)
Top Tube (ctc): 55.5cm (21.75in)
Rear dropout width: 125mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 48mm
This is a French built TT frame from I think the Mecacycle workshop. It is beautifully fillet brazed and takes an internal expanding seatpost. The frame is in very good condition – the paint is in good to very good condition – it will be quite easy to retouch this frame to look quite respectable. It of course has French threads. £165



Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro & Retro Time Trial frames
(look above)
Touring frames
Track frames







SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £18
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.

 
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