English, American & Far Eastern Bike Frames
Post-1970 21.5in–22.5in

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in (look below)
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames


Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

TELEDYNE TITAN ROAD FRAME 1970s 22in Titanium
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: CP Titanium
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Teledyne Titan was the idea of an expatriate Englishman Barry Harvey, though manufactured in California, USA. He formed a company to develop titanium frames but with a lack of capital development work was very slow. He eventually approached Teledyne Linair, a specialist company producing titanium assemblies for the aircraft industry who fortuitously were looking for other applications for titanium. Top and down tube diameters were increased to 1 1/8in and 1 1/4in diameters respectively and wall thicknesses were slightly up compered to a standard steel tubed frame. One rather curious feature of the production frame was how the down tube was necked down to accept standard diameter down tube lever clip and down tube cable guides. This frame is in excellent condition – there are no cracks or dents. £595

 

CONDOR ITALIA ROAD FRAME c1977 22.5in built by Vic Edwards
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Condor frames have built by a number of different framebuilders over the years – Bill Hurlow, Vic Edwards, Chas Roberts Senior, Tom Board, Dave Yates and I am sure others. This frame from I think the late 1970s and was built by Vic Edwards… Its in very sound condition though there has been some painting to the seat tube and rear stays. I think most buyers will want to have it repainted. £175

 

COUGAR ROAD FRAME 22in c1992 Reynolds 753
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 45mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 753
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Cougar was (and still is) a brand name used by Terry Dolan and this frame from about 1992 would have been built by one of his top builders.
This frame built from Reynolds 753 tubing is in excellent condition with a few small marks to the paint. £295

 


PEARSON ROAD FRAME c1977 22.5in built by Chas Roberts
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 50mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This is a Pearson road frame built I think by Chas Roberts – Pearsons are a bike shop in Sutton, Surrey who have used a number of different framebuilders over the years. Chas Roberts frames were first built in the mid 1970s by Chas Roberts senior – Chas Roberts senior had worked at Holdsworths as one of their senior builders. They have built an enviable name for top class road frames and have been ridden by many champions.
This road frame dates from the late 1970s and is in very sound condition with no dents or other problems. It comes complete with a set of decals. £175

 

ARGOS ROAD FRAME 21.5in 1998 ex Stuart Dangerfield
Seat Tube (ctt): 21.5in (55cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: 700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Argos Cycles was started in 1974 by Arthur Needham as an adjunct to his engineering business. Frames are now built by Gary Needham, Arthur’s son. They are have enviable reputation for the care and precision with which they build their frames.
This frame was one of a small number of stock frames they bought in the late 1990s and they supplied it to Stuart Dangerfield, a sponsored rider of there’s as a training frame. Needless to say Argos checked these frames very thoroughly as they went out badged as Argos… £225

 

COLUMBIA TOURING FRAME 22.25in 1983
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: 27in or 700C with a brake drop of 66mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Columbia was set up by some of the framebuilders from the Carlton Worksop plant when it was closed in 1981. This frame I think dates 1983 and is obviously designed for light touring with 27in wheels; it has rack mounts on the inside of the seatstays. The paint is quite rough though and it really needs refinishing. £125

 

F W EVANS TOURER 22in c1985–6
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.75in (55.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: 700C
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
F W Evans was founded in 1922 and soon gained an enviable reputation as one of the best and only specialist builder of touring frames though they built racing and clubman’s frames. This touring frame dates from about 1985–6 and is very good condition with just a number of small marks to the paint. It has rear rack mounts and comes complete with a Stronglight A9 headset and the Dia-Compe cantilever brakes mounted for 700C wheels… £245

 

RALEIGH PRO MKIV 22.5in 1972
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 125mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 52mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Raleigh Pro Mk IV was in effect the predecessor to all the special frames built at Raleigh Ilkeston SBDU plant. It was used by the Raleigh Team in 1972 and 1973 – albeit with modified geometry in the later part of ‘73. This frame has been nicely repainted in the Team colours of 1973 and 1974 – I can supply the correct head badge to go with it. The frame is in excellent condition but has had bottle cage bosses and down tube stops for bar-end shifters added… The paint is in very good to excellent condition. £245


KESTREL ROAD FRAME 22in c1990
Seat Tube (ctt): 23.75in (59.5cm), 22in (56cm) ctc
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 47mm
Frame tubing: Carbon-fibre monococque with Time carbon forks
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Kestrel were one of the pioneers of building carbon-fibre monococque frames – they started in 1986! This frame is in excellent condition with no signs of any accident damage or cracks and dates I think from the early 1990s. It is partnered with a Time carbon-fibre fork. £295

 

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GRAHAM TOMLINSON ROAD FRAME 22in c1978
built by Philip Pike, son of Stan Pike
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: 27s or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 60mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Graham Tomlinson Cycles was a cycle shop in Wellington, Somerset that had close connections to Stan Pike. Stan Pike and his son built frames for the shop and this frame is one of those. Stan Pike learnt frame-building from Wally Green, and worked part-time for Don Farrell, before moving to Somerset in 1959. In 1977, Stan purchased the cycle shop in Hermitage Street, Crewkerne. Here he set up a workshop in the back where he built frames. He was assisted for most of the time by his son, Philip. Stan taught Phil how to build the frames, hence Philip’s frames carried the ‘Pike of Crewkerne’ transfers and not the ‘Stan Pike’ transfers which were only applied to Stan’s own frames. Also, Philip’s frames usually, but not always,  had the prefix PJ. There’s lots more on Stan Pike and Philip Pike at: http://www.stanpikecycles.co.uk
This frame numbered PJ16 was built by Philip Pike, son of Stan Pike and dates from I should think about 1977. Its in excellent condition with just a few small marks to the paint but I think the decals are a bit faded… £195

 

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COLIN CAPE ROAD FRAME 1970s

Seat Tube (ctt): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Colin Cape was a framebuilder who originally had a shop in Chelmsford, Essex. This frame however dates from the 1970s and time when he had a shop in Swindon – Swindon Cycles. This frame has some nice details such as he drilled rear dropouts and the shot-in seatstays and is in very good condition. It has fairly recently been repainted and this is in very good condition though is quite thick… £149

 

KEN RYALL ROAD FRAME 1970s
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: Probably Reynolds 531 plain gauge
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
This is a Ken Ryall road frame from I think the early 1970s – its really quite nicely built but judging by the seatpost size is built from Reynolds 531 plain gauge tubing. Ready to be painted in a light coat of primer. Obviously needs repainting. £99

 

** SPECIAL REDUCED PRICE**

RORY O’BRIEN SPEARPOINT TT FRAME 1970s built by Vic Edwards Hand cut spearpoint lugs
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 475mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This is a really rather nice Rory O’Brien road frame with unusual spearpoint lugs built by Vic Edwards and almost certainly from the early 1970s. The lugs share some common design to one of the lug designs he used on frames built for Pat Hanlon. One fork blade has suffered a little damage in the past – however the fork’s alignment has been checked and its fine. A really rather nice frame. £145


Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in (look below)
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames

 


SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £12
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
Contact us for more info.


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FRAME CONDITION CATEGORIES
These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset page: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.



 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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