English, American & Far Eastern Bike Frames
Post-1970 21.5in–22.5in

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in (look below)
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames


Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

DAVE LLOYD ROAD FRAME late 1980s 22in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm)
Rear dropout width: 128mm
Wheel size: 700C or sprints with brake drop of 46mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531C
Dave Lloyd was one of the best and promising British road riders in the early 1970s riding for Peter Post’s all conqeuring Raleigh team but his career was blighted by an irregular heart rhythm which forced a premature retirement. He opened his first shop in the mid 1970s and whilst riding as a pro had learnt some framebuilding from the fabbled Harry Quinn. He went to learn the trade properly from Terry Dolan in the mid 80s before setting his framebuilding business up in 1986. This frame but from Reynolds 531C dates I think from the late 1980s and is really a rather nicely built road frame. The paint whilst not perfect would be in my opinion fine to use… £195

 

FRED JAMES ROAD FRAME c1976–77 22in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: 700C or sprints with brake drop of 51mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Fred James’ bikeshop was in Alford, Lincolnshire. I do not think he ever built his own frames – I have seen frames with his shop decals built by Rick Powell and others from Raleigh. But this neither I think – its too early for a Rick Powell frame and not in his or Raleigh’s style. I think its from 1976–77 judging by the early type Campag dropouts, lugs, brake fixings and braze-ons. Its certainly tidily built but the paint is not very good – its certainly worth restoring… £125

 

E G BATES ROAD FRAME 1970s 22.5in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.5in (57cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: 700C or sprints with brake drop of 53mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Horace Bates founded Bates Cycles in August 1926 at 2a Swete Street, London E13 and E G Bates joined his brother in the business in 1927. Soon after they moved to larger premises at 632 Barking Road which was about opposite the later EG Bates shop at 589–591 Barking Road. Soon after WWII in 1947 the two brothers decided to split the business in two. Horace took the branches and retained the Cantiflex design whilst E.G. kept the head office and original shop at Barking Road.
This nicely made frame I think dates to the early 1970s judging by the fittings and style. I suspect it might have originally been built for time trialling judging by the very short offset on the fork blades. The frame is very sound but the paint is not very good however… £165

 

BARRY CHICK ROAD FRAME Mid 1980s 21.5in
Seat Tube (ctt): 21.5in (55cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm)
Rear dropout width: 125mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 45mm
Frame Tubing: Columbus
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Barry Chick built both under his own name and also for Shorters – he built some of Alf Engers TT frames which gained many time trialling records in the 1960s and 70s. This road frame I think dates from the late 1980s despite the early Columbus decal – the brake and chainstay bridges are typical of the mid to late 80s. At 1865g its lighter than I’d expect for Columbus SL so maybe it has a bit of KL tubing… Its beautifully built with very nice filing to the lugs and the rear brake cable routing through the top tube is very neatly done. Its in very good condition though some buyers would want to have it repainted. £195

 

RALEIGH TEAM PRO 753 ROAD FRAME 1980 22in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 128mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 48mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 753 metric
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
The Raleigh SBDU workshop (SBDU) was established in late 1974 under the direction of Gerald O’Donovan. Frames were built for the Ti-Raleigh continental pro team from the very beginning. And the unit worked with Reynolds in developing Reynolds 753 and the first frames were tested by the Ti-Raleigh team in 1974. The SBDU was quite an unusual operation for such a large company with a modest production capacity – at a maximum only about 1000 frames or so a year from about four framebuilders. They produced some of the nicest and most consistent frames ever built…
This frame has been repainted albeit not especially well… And the down tube shifter braze-ons have been removed. However it seems to be perfectly sound. £425

 

DAVE LLOYD CONCEPT 2000 ROAD FRAME 1998 22in
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm), 19.5in (50cm) ctc
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm )
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 48mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Dedacciai Zero 18MCDV6
Dave Lloyd was one of the best and promising British road riders in the early 1970s riding for Peter Post’s all conqeuring Raleigh team but his career was blighted by an irregular heart rythym which forced a premature retirement. He opened his first shop in the mid 1970s and whilst riding as a pro had learnt some framebuilding from the fabbled Harry Quinn. He went to learn the trade properly from Terry Dolan in the mid 80s before setting his framebuilding business up in 1986.
However in later years he did not build his own frames – this one I think was almost certainly built to his design at Paul Donahue’s workshop. The wonderful tig welding is typical as is the paint job… £275

 

TELEDYNE TITAN ROAD FRAME 1970s 22in Titanium
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: CP Titanium
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
The Teledyne Titan was the idea of an expatriate Englishman Barry Harvey, though manufactured in California, USA. He formed a company to develop titanium frames but with a lack of capital development work was very slow. He eventually approached Teledyne Linair, a specialist company producing titanium assemblies for the aircraft industry who fortuitously were looking for other applications for titanium. Top and down tube diameters were increased to 1 1/8in and 1 1/4in diameters respectively and wall thicknesses were slightly up compered to a standard steel tubed frame. One rather curious feature of the production frame was how the down tube was necked down to accept standard diameter down tube lever clip and down tube cable guides. This frame is in excellent condition – there are no cracks or dents. £595

 

COLUMBIA TOURING FRAME 22.25in 1983
Seat Tube (ctt): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: 27in or 700C with a brake drop of 66mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Columbia was set up by some of the framebuilders from the Carlton Worksop plant when it was closed in 1981. This frame I think dates 1983 and is obviously designed for light touring with 27in wheels; it has rack mounts on the inside of the seatstays. The paint is quite rough though and it really needs refinishing. £125


KESTREL ROAD FRAME 22in c1990
Seat Tube (ctt): 23.75in (59.5cm), 22in (56cm) ctc
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 47mm
Frame tubing: Carbon-fibre monococque with Time carbon forks
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Kestrel were one of the pioneers of building carbon-fibre monococque frames – they started in 1986! This frame is in excellent condition with no signs of any accident damage or cracks and dates I think from the early 1990s. It is partnered with a Time carbon-fibre fork. £295

 

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GRAHAM TOMLINSON ROAD FRAME 22in c1978
built by Philip Pike, son of Stan Pike
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 23in (58cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: 27s or Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 60mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Graham Tomlinson Cycles was a cycle shop in Wellington, Somerset that had close connections to Stan Pike. Stan Pike and his son built frames for the shop and this frame is one of those. Stan Pike learnt frame-building from Wally Green, and worked part-time for Don Farrell, before moving to Somerset in 1959. In 1977, Stan purchased the cycle shop in Hermitage Street, Crewkerne. Here he set up a workshop in the back where he built frames. He was assisted for most of the time by his son, Philip. Stan taught Phil how to build the frames, hence Philip’s frames carried the ‘Pike of Crewkerne’ transfers and not the ‘Stan Pike’ transfers which were only applied to Stan’s own frames. Also, Philip’s frames usually, but not always,  had the prefix PJ. There’s lots more on Stan Pike and Philip Pike at: http://www.stanpikecycles.co.uk
This frame numbered PJ16 was built by Philip Pike, son of Stan Pike and dates from I should think about 1977. Its in excellent condition with just a few small marks to the paint but I think the decals are a bit faded… £195

 

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COLIN CAPE ROAD FRAME 1970s

Seat Tube (ctt): 22.25in (56.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Colin Cape was a framebuilder who originally had a shop in Chelmsford, Essex. This frame however dates from the 1970s and time when he had a shop in Swindon – Swindon Cycles. This frame has some nice details such as he drilled rear dropouts and the shot-in seatstays and is in very good condition. It has fairly recently been repainted and this is in very good condition though is quite thick… £149

 

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RORY O’BRIEN SPEARPOINT TT FRAME 1970s built by Vic Edwards Hand cut spearpoint lugs
Seat Tube (ctt): 22in (56cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 475mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This is a really rather nice Rory O’Brien road frame with unusual spearpoint lugs built by Vic Edwards and almost certainly from the early 1970s. The lugs share some common design to one of the lug designs he used on frames built for Pat Hanlon. One fork blade has suffered a little damage in the past – however the fork’s alignment has been checked and its fine. A really rather nice frame. £145


Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in (look below)
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames

 


SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £12
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
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FRAME CONDITION CATEGORIES
These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset page: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.



 


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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