Italian Bike Frames larger than 56cm

This page is the second of two for Italian built frames – other European built frames have their own pages.

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm (look below)
Lo-Pro & Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames



Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

MOLTENI ROAD FRAME 60cm 1960s
Seat Tube (ctc): 60cm (24in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 122mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 53mm
Frame tubing: Not known
BB threads: ??
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This is a really nicely built Italian road frame from I think the early 1960s – it is painted in Team Molteni colours from this era. I would not be surprised if this was an ex-Team bike but I have no proof… The fork steerer is fitted with a wooden plug from below – a common feature of pro’s frames in the 1960s and 70s… £345

 

OLAGNERO ROAD FRAME 57cm Early 1990s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Columbus Thron
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
Olagnero frames were built by Gionanni Losa’s workshop in Italy. This frame is built from
Columbus Thron tubing, a mid range oversize tubing set. The frame is in excellent condition and ready to build up… £195

 

POGLIAGHI TRACK FRAME c1963 59cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Columbus double butted
Sante Pogliaghi was one of Italy’s most revered framebuilders through the 1960s and 70s ranking alongside Cinelli, Masi and De Rosa. This track frame dates from c1963 and has been very nicely restored. The frame exudes pure quality… Very, very rare. £995

 

CINELLI PISTA FRAME 1950s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Columbus double butted
Cinelli frames were always built in really quite small numbers – it is said no more than 500 even in an Olympic year and were the choice of many top riders. Pista frames represented only a small percentage of their output – I’d guess no more than 5–10%. This Cinelli Pista frame dates from the 1950s and has been stunningly repainted by Argos in a typical colour scheme used on their track frames of that era. It has the very rare Cloisonne enamel headbadge. A really stunning and exceptionally rare track frame. £1265

 

COLNAGO ELEGANT DECOR 57cm late 1990s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints with brake drop of 46mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Columbus EL
Colnago produced a huge number of different models over the years and sometimes their identification is difficult. This frame is just such a one – I am pretty certain it is a version of the Colnago Elegant – the specs in the catalogues for the Elegant specify Columbus EL oversize tubing – this frame does not have the oversize top tube but does have Master/Tecnos type fancy lugs combined with round tubes rather than the Gilco fluted tubing of the various Master models… It belonged to an Tour de France mechanic and it has been suggested to me that it might have been an ex-team frame though I rather doubt this. His name, Marcel Seu is on the top tube. Its in excellent condition with just one or two small marks to the paint. £595

 



COLNAGO CRYSTAL ROAD FRAME Late 1990s
Seat Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints with brake drop of 45mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Colnago Crystal (Columbus Brain)
This Colnago Crystal frame was built in the late 1990s with an oversize version of Columbus Brain tubing and reshaped – the down tube is almost angular teardrop whilst the top tube is bulged out in the middle, a bit like a Cantiflex tube on steroids… Its finished in one of the very attractive Decor colour schemes and the paint and chrome are in excellent condition with only a few small marks. Really quite special and unusual. £545

 

WILIER TRIESTINA 57cm c1982
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.75in)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 46mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Wilier Triestina was the name of an old cycle company that existed from 1902 to 1952. It was resurrected in the 1970s. The original Wilier Triestina frames had a copper plated finish, the new frames were finished with copper colour chromovalato finish echoing the original copper plating. This frame I think dates from about 1982 judging by the front derailleur braze-on mount. The Chromovalato paint has worn off much of the top tube but the finish is otherwise very good. The frame itself is excellent. £475

 

SABA ROAD FRAME c1980
Seat Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Top Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: 700C/Sprints with brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Columbus SL
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Saba was the brand name used by the English importer of Columbus tubing, Viner frames and Omas parts in the late 1970s and early 80s… They also sold frames under the Saba name which I believe were probably built in the Viner factory – this is one of them. They are beautifully built with lots of care and attention and pantographed lugs and fork crown. The frame is in excellent condition with just a few small marks but the Columbus decal has broken up. £185



Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm (look above)
Lo-Pro & Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames




SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £18
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.


 

 
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