Italian Bike Frames larger than 56cm

This page is the second of two for Italian built frames – other European built frames have their own pages.

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm (look below)
Lo-Pro & Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames



Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

BASSO GAP ROAD FRAME 1990 57.5cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 57.5cm (22.75in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57.5cm (22.75in)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Columbus SL
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Basso are one of the slightly lesser known Italian framebuilders but are in my experience very consistent in their quality. This frame is no exception appearing to be very nicely built.
This frame is built from Columbus SL is in very good condition – there are some marks to the paint especially on the rear stays but the main triangle is excellent. A really nice frame ready to build up. £285

 

1950s ITALIAN BUILT ROAD FRAME 58.5cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 58.5cm (23.25in)
Top Tube (ctc): 58.5cm (23.25in)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 52mm
Frame tubing: ????
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This Italian road frame dates to the middle to late 1950s and is really nicely built. The lugs were one used quite often by Italian builders for their better quality frames – this one I think is built from a good quality double butted tubing set judging by the 27.2mm seatpost size. Overall a lovely mid 50s Italian road frame just waiting to be restored. £175

 

DE ROSA PRIMATO c1993 58cm
Seat Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Top Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 46mm
Frame tubing: Columbus EL
Seatpost size: 27.2mm -
Of all the Italian framebuilders (and there are lots) four stand out above the rest – Cinelli, Masi, Colnago and De Rosa. In Italy and USA all three are pretty much ranked the same – they have all built for top riders and they have all influenced other builders. Unlike some of these others all De Rosa steel frames have been built in their own works.
This Primato frame built from the very light Columbus EL tubing is in sound condition – however the top tube has a couple of dents and the paint is quite scruffy. The dents could be easily filled when it was repainted and the small dents will not affect the strength or the stiffness of the frame… Priced to reflect. £325

 

OLAGNERO ROAD FRAME 57cm Early 1990s
Seat Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Columbus Thron
Seatpost size: 26.8mm
Olagnero frames were built by Gionanni Losa’s workshop in Italy. This frame is built from
Columbus Thron tubing, a mid range oversize tubing set. The frame is in excellent condition and ready to build up… £195

 

** SPECIAL REDUCED PRICE**
POGLIAGHI TRACK FRAME c1963 59cm

Seat Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 57cm (22.5in)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame Tubing: Columbus double butted
Sante Pogliaghi was one of Italy’s most revered framebuilders through the 1960s and 70s ranking alongside Cinelli, Masi and De Rosa. This track frame dates from c1963 and has been very nicely restored. The frame exudes pure quality… Very, very rare. £995

 



** SPECIAL REDUCED PRICE**
COLNAGO CRYSTAL ROAD FRAME Late 1990s

Seat Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Top Tube (ctc): 59cm (23.5in)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: 700C/sprints with brake drop of 45mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Colnago Crystal (Columbus Brain)
This Colnago Crystal frame was built in the late 1990s with an oversize version of Columbus Brain tubing and reshaped – the down tube is almost angular teardrop whilst the top tube is bulged out in the middle, a bit like a Cantiflex tube on steroids… Its finished in one of the very attractive Decor colour schemes and the paint and chrome are in excellent condition with only a few small marks. Really quite special and unusual. £445

 

** SPECIAL REDUCED PRICE**
SABA ROAD FRAME c1980

Seat Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Top Tube (ctc): 58cm (23in)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: 700C/Sprints with brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Columbus SL
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Saba was the brand name used by the English importer of Columbus tubing, Viner frames and Omas parts in the late 1970s and early 80s… They also sold frames under the Saba name which I believe were probably built in the Viner factory – this is one of them. They are beautifully built with lots of care and attention and pantographed lugs and fork crown. The frame is in excellent condition with just a few small marks but the Columbus decal has broken up. £145



Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm (look above)
Lo-Pro & Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames




SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £18
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
Contact us for more info.


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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.


 

 
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