English, American & Far Eastern Bike Frames
Post-1970 Smaller than 21.5in

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PLEASE NOTE: I measure all British, American and Japanese frames in inches ctt (centre to top) and convert to the nearest cm, conversely I measure all European and Italian frames in centimetres ctc (centre to centre) and convert to the nearest 0.25in.
A problem with all frames measured ctt is that the top measuring point varies from maker to maker and I try and second guess where the maker intended his measurement to be to – some mean top of top top tube, others the very top of the seat lug, and others to the seat lug top line…

FRAME SIZING
Do not assume that you will need a frame sized the same as your modern one – either seat tube or top tube. Fashion plays a great part in frame design and sizing. In the early years of the 20th century frames were sized as large as possible with virtually no seatpost showing … by contrast riders were advised in the 1920s to have as small a frame as possible.
Race/road frames from the 1920s/early 1930s will generally be sized about 3–5cm smaller than a modern frame but with a much longer top tube and shorter stems. Towards the end of the 1930s larger frame sizes became fashionable – up to 2cm larger than a modern frame. Top tube lengths were still longer used with shorter stems. In the 1940s and 50s frames were sized a bit larger still – 3–4cm more than a modern frame still with longer top tubes and shorter stems. In the 1960s and 1970s frames gradually reduced in size until the late 1980s. At the same time top tubes began to get shorter and stems longer.

Standover height is NOT a useful method of frame sizing either with modern or old frames. Short legged riders will rarely have much or any clearance between the top tube and their crotch unless the frame has a sloping top tube design. Taller riders also face other problems. A complete guide to frame sizing for frames of different periods is impossible to detail here. For frames from the 1980s onwards I suggest buyers look at Dave Moulton’s contributions on frame sizing. Possibly start off with http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2006/2/27/a-different-thought-on-frame-sizing.html
and then look at: http://www.davemoultonregistry.com/MoultonFrameSizeChart

I am willing to advise any customer on frame sizing with older frames.

Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in (look below)
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames


Please contact me at: hilarystone@hilarystone.com to check on availability and confirm shipping cost.

RALEIGH DYNA-TECH 800 1991 21in
Seat Tube (ctt): 21in (53cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21in (53cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 48mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 753
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
In 1987 Raleigh SBDU moved to Nottingham to join the former Carlton Lightweight bike unit which had moved to Nottingham six years earlier. The two units were merged over the next year or so to form Raleigh Special Products Division. They developed the Dyna-Tech bonded frames which formed the mainstay of SPD road frames for four or five years. Most used steel tubing bonded into aluminium lugs. A few used titanium.
This Dyna-Tech 800 frame is from 1991 and was the top model. It is built from Reynolds 2080 tubing which is essentially same as 753 except that it is unbutted – with the bonded joints butting was not necessary. This frame was tested in Cycling Plus 1 in February 1992. Its in very good condition with a few marks to the paint and some light corrosion to the alumium lugs. Really very rare… £245


RALEIGH TEAM REPLICA PANASONIC 1984 21in
Seat Tube (ctt): 21in (53cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 51mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531C
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This is a Raleigh Team Replica frame in Panasonic Team colours built at the Lightweight Unit in Nottingham (the unit that that had been based at Worksop) and were very similar in specification to the Team bikes built by Raleigh SBDU at Ilkeston. This frame dates from 1984. It has been repainted not very well – Vaz’s paint is very variable… But built up it would still look good. Its not been used since the repaint. £195

 

MERCIAN KING OF MERCIA 1977 19.5in
Seat Tube (ctt): 19.5in (49.5cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 20.5in (52cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 52mm
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
This Mercian from 1977 is a King of Mercia light tourer with Mercian’s signature barber’s pole paintwork. The paint is in excellent condition with just a few small marks. It has a short top tube making it ideal for a shorter bodied rider. £285

 

BLOM ROAD FRAME 1991 Reynolds 753
Seat Tube (ctt): 20.5in (52cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21in (53cm)
Rear dropout width: 126mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 45mm
Frame Tubing: Reynolds 753
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
This frame was built by Paul Blom, an Australian framebuilder and is probably unique in the UK. Most (but not all) Blom frames were built out of a small workshop in the Sydney suburb of Hurstville.
Paul is now in his early 60s and lives on the Queensland Sunshine Coast. This frame built from Reynolds 753 tubing dates I think from 1991. Its very nicely built and in excellent condition apart from the paint which is scruffy. £225

 

MOUNTAIN CYCLES R SERIES ROAD FRAME c1994 21in
Seat Tube (ctt): 21in (53cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22.5in (57cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with brake drop of 47mm
Frame Tubing: Aluminium monococque
Mountain Cycles were better known for their innovative full suspension MTBs but jumped on the road bandwagon in the 1990s. This aluminium monococque frame had a similar look to their MTBs with the Y-shape. Its in very sound condition but has quite a number of small marks to the paint but no dents or dings. Very rare. £475

 

JOE WAUGH (DAVE YATES) PRIMA ROAD FRAME 21in 1994 Ex Cycling Plus Test bike
Seat Tube (ctt): 21in (53cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 22in (56cm)
Rear dropout width: 130mm
Wheel size: 700C with a brake drop of 47mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531C
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Dave Yates started framebuilding in the late 1970s and was one of the partners in the M Steel cycle shop in Newcastle. Frames were sold under the Dave Yates, M Steel and Joe Waugh names. He quickly established an excellent reputation and also built Condor’s high-end steel frames for many years. His workshop in later years employed a number of framebuilders but he kept very close control over the quality and on a visit in 1998 I was most impressed by the standard of framebuilding.
This frame was supplied to Cycling Plus in 1994 and featured in issue 35 December 1994. I then bought it as I was so impressed by it… It is in very sound condition but does have quite a lot of marks to the paint. £225

 

ALAN WILLIAMS ROAD FRAME 20.5in 1970s/80s
Seat Tube (ctt): 20.5in (52cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.5in (55cm)
Rear dropout width: 120mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 44mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
Alan Williams had a bike shop in Preston in the 1970s and 80s. I do not know anything about the frames that were sold under the name but this frame is nicely made and I’m pretty certain dates from the 1970s. The original paint is in very good condition with some small marks. £125

 

NO-NAME ROAD FRAME 20.5in late 1970s
Seat Tube (ctt): 20.5in (52cm)
Top Tube (ctc): 21.25in (54cm)
Rear dropout width: 124mm
Wheel size: Sprints/700C with a brake drop of 51mm
Frame tubing: Reynolds 531 double butted
Seatpost size: 27.2mm
I do not know who built this frame but it dates from the late 1970s and is nicely built. It has English threads and I am sure is built from Reynolds 531 double butted tubing. It has a small dent on the top tube just behind the head lug – it looks as if something had been dropped on it. The paint is in useable condition. £75


Featured Frames
British and American road frames smaller than 21.5in (look above)
British and American road frames 21.5in–22.5in
British and American road frames larger than 22.5in
Bargain Basement
Classic Road frames pre-1970 smaller than 21.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 21.5in–22.5in
Classic Road frames pre-1970 larger than 22.5in
Classic Track & Road-Track frames pre-1970
European frames 56cm or smaller
European frames larger than 56cm
Italian frames 56cm or smaller
Italian frames larger than 56cm
Lo-Pro &
Retro Time Trial frames

Touring frames
Track frames




SHIPPING COSTS

UK: £18
Europe: £35
North America: £90
Japan, Asia, Australasia, Africa, Middle East, South America: £115

Figures above are good estimates, rates may vary for some countries.
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FRAME CONDITION
Frames are supplied as seen in the pictures unless described otherwise in the text.
Please remember that these frames are generally at least twenty years old and sometimes seventy… In most cases I will know very little of their history but will attempt to describe any problems I can spot – if there are issues I have missed I will always work with the buyer to find a solution.
All frames I sell are in track and straight, with excellent headset threads, bottom bracket shell threads and gear hanger threads if fitted.
I will make every attempt to ascertain whether paint is original, an older repaint or a more recent repaint. Paint quality does vary quite bit…

These categories may be qualified by more detailed description in the text.

Excellent A very useable frame with no obtrusive marks to the paint and no dings or dents. Chrome if present will be free of serious marks unless stated otherwise.

Very Good Perfectly useable frame but with more marks to the paint and chrome if present. Some of the marks may benefit from careful retouching. Generally there will no dents or dings but if present will be small. However if you are concerned about dents/dings with frames in this category please ask me to do an extra check.

Sound Paint and chrome may need redoing depending on how you like your bikes – I appreciate frames with patina which show their age but others may want to repaint. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. Any more significant dents will be described in the text.

Needing repainting Paint will be poor and in my opinion is not saveable. There may be a small ding or two but nothing very significant – older frames often pick up smaller dents which are of no significance to their strength or life. If there are larger dents they will be described and/or pictured. These are all easily filled by a good framebuilder or frame painter at very little extra cost.

Headsets or bottom brackets fitted to frames are of unknown and unguaranteed condition unless specifically described in the text. Sometimes headsets or bottom brackets will not feel smooth and simply need a service and on other occasions the headset or bottom bracket will need replacing…
For frame without headsets or where you'd like a headset replaced I can offer a fitting service for £15. Please see the headset pages: http://hilarystone.com/headset.html for what is available but please bear in mind that you may need advice on whether a particular headset will fit your frame especially in relation to stack height.

 

 
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